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小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 13:02:02<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">对了，听说过叔本华的悲观主义么<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:00:23<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">没有<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 13:02:49<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">蛮有趣的，他的逻辑是这样：</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">首先他先给意志下了定义，意志是一种欲望，无法满足又无处满足的。从大到小我们想要的一切，以及基本的生理欲望和高级的理智或道德建筑上的追求，在他看来统统是意志<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 13:03:49<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">然后，他认为世界就是由意志组成的，（我觉得起码可以说社会的进步是由意志推动的）。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 13:06:41<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">接着，他说如果无法满足的欲望是痛苦，那么世界的本质就是痛苦，因为人们越是试图贯彻意志，那就越是证明了无法满足的欲望的存在。而这种循环，在他看是世界上最悲哀的事情。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:07:35<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">意志是一种欲望我可以同意，但为何说这欲望是无法满足又无处不在的呢？<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 13:09:32<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">嗯？就好比你有个想达到的目标，满足了就会有下一个目标，单个的意志完成了，但总体上&ldquo;意志&rdquo;是不会消失的啊<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:09:38<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">哦哦<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:11:03<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">没错啊 如果把这定义为&ldquo;痛苦&rdquo; 人们确实是生活中痛苦中呀<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>佛学也说 人生就是充满痛苦啊<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">我觉得这种欲望得不到满足就痛苦 得到就厌倦可以用佛学的方法解决啊<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 13:12:26<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">结果到现在为止，哲学家驳斥他的理论的人不少，但到头来都只能驳斥形而上，不能驳斥悲观主义本身<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:12:59<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">嗯 这没法反驳吧 反驳什么？ 形成上的反驳怎么反驳？<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 10:46:47<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">就是一直以来只能在意志是否是&ldquo;痛苦&rdquo;的层面争论，但无法否定世界是由意志组成的<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 10:49:28<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">是争论&ldquo;无法满足的欲望是否是痛苦&rdquo;还是争论&ldquo;意志是否是无法满足的欲望&rdquo;？<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 10:50:03<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&ldquo;无法满足的欲望是否是痛苦&rdquo;<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 10:51:32<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">哦 那要看对痛苦的定义了<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>我觉得是痛苦啊，否则什么是痛苦呢？<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 11:22:54<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">驳斥方很多，但是现在比较多的观点是，叔本华把意志的本质给剥离了，也就是说，无法满足的欲望是痛苦，但相对的，快乐也是由趋近&ldquo;满足&rdquo;产生，虽然从哲学的本质上说，&ldquo;意志&rdquo;是无处不在并无法消失的，但是现实来说，人们的快乐和幸福也是通过&ldquo;逐个小意志&rdquo;完成得到实现。所以叔本华的形而上类似阿基里斯与龟，是有悖心理学的撕裂生命<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 11:24:43<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">嗯嗯 对啊 痛苦和快乐是一体两面的<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 11:26:49<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">我觉得这就是东西方哲学的不同 西方哲学就很喜欢分裂开强调某一面<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 11:27:26<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">嗯，结果这就变成了和死亡本能一样了，即如果我们没法否定&ldquo;死亡是绝对的&rdquo;，就只能在生的态度和意义上进行争论<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 11:31:25<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">或者说，叔本华发现了一个和&ldquo;死&rdquo;一样的绝对概念，并用这个概念概括了&ldquo;生&rdquo;的本质，而世人无法否定他的概念，只能在他的态度上做争论<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 11:34:10<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">东方的哲学是不是神学啊？<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 11:40:43<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">嗯&hellip;&hellip;怎么说呢，关于生和死，三岛由纪夫说&ldquo;虽然死亡最终会把我握在手心，但在此之前，死亡并未把我握在手心&rdquo;，这就是把死和活割裂开的观念，村上春树说&ldquo;死并不是生的对立面，而是生的一部分，死就在我们身边漂浮着&rdquo;这就是不割裂着看的观念。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">关于痛苦和快乐也是。可以看成相反的两件事，也可以看成一体的，没有痛苦就没有快乐。（后现代心理分析是说，所谓抑郁是因为人体为了平衡过于兴奋的情绪而产生的，所以想要不抑郁的最好办法就是别太兴奋。）<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 11:44:14<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">东方哲学是指佛道儒之类的学说吧？<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">比如佛学就认为&ldquo;无我&rdquo;，就像你短信里说的，并没有什么是绝对真实的，包括&ldquo;自我&rdquo;在内。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">老庄也认为凡事不是绝对的，阴阳学说也认为，阳中有阴，阴中有阳，而且两者是会相互转换的。<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 11:58:00<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">村上春树说&ldquo;死并不是生的对立面，而是生的一部分，死就在我们身边漂浮着&rdquo;&mdash;&mdash;这倒是很像叔本华的死亡观，他认为人们对于死亡最大的恐惧在于，他们无法想象一个事实：我死了，但这个世界却仍然运行着，<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:06:25<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">村上春树说&ldquo;死并不是生的对立面，而是生的一部分，死就在我们身边漂浮着&rdquo;&mdash;&mdash;这倒是很像叔本华的死亡观<br />
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这怎么会像叔本华的死亡观呢？ <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:06:56<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">叔本华是割裂的吧？ 西方哲学通常都是将生与死割裂来看的不是吗？ <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 12:24:53<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">死就在我们身边漂浮着&mdash;&mdash;是说身边的人死去而活着的人还要继续，所以死亡成为其他人的记忆，即生命记录的一部分。所以死成为生的一部分，而生总要回归死。但是对于独立的人来说，自身的死就意味着完结，当然被别人记忆被历史传承也可以算生的延续，但生理上对本人没意义。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">我是这么理解的，啊，很可能有误，或在断章取义，之前我一直不喜欢村上，所以没怎么看他的东西。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:33:35<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">你的这种理解其实很偏向西方哲学，梅特林克的《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E9%9D%92%E9%B8%9F?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">青鸟</a>》里也是这么说的，所以你会认为这跟叔本华的死亡观很像。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">但，我理解村上所说的不是这个意思，我理解的死是生的一部分是类似痛苦是快乐的一部分，阴是阳的一部分，这种。这个&ldquo;死&rdquo;不是指身边其他人的死，而是指自己的死，自己的死是自己的生的一部分，自己的死在自己的生周围漂浮。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 12:34:25<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">自己的死是自己的生的一部分，自己的死在自己的生周围漂浮。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">具体的说呢<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:35:07<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">你怎么理解痛苦是快乐的一部分呢？<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 12:36:00<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">因为有得不到的痛苦，得到才会快乐<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:49:27<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">嗯 这还是西方哲学观点 是把痛苦和快乐割裂开看的<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">东方哲学的观念类似这样 比如 死是生的一部分 &mdash;&mdash;&ldquo;生&rdquo;从出现的那一刻起就包含着&ldquo;死&rdquo;，生就是不断向死逼近的一个过程。生就是不断变化，变化的过程中被放弃，被改变的那部分就是死。没有死（这个概念）就没有生（这个概念），从生到死，从死到生（这里还包含一个&ldquo;无我&rdquo;的观念），都只是一个过程。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">比如，痛苦是快乐的一部分&mdash;&mdash;同样，不知道什么是痛苦，就不知道什么是快乐，感受不到快乐就感受不到痛苦，因为一切都是在变化的，你得到快乐就意味着你必然要失去快乐，而这失去，就是痛苦，所以，&ldquo;得到快乐本身&rdquo;就已经包含着痛苦了。许常德说&ldquo;你能说你完全没在享受恋爱带来的痛苦吗？&rdquo;这痛苦中，就包含着快乐。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">溯夜</font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><span lang="EN-US"> 12:53:58<br />
</span>佛学观念不是&ldquo;有痛苦作对比，快乐才快乐&rdquo;，而是&ldquo;快乐就是痛苦&rdquo;。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 12:55:16<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">这个我理解，但是我认为的大前提是生理的生和死。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">如果没有生理的生，这一切不会被本体考虑及感受到，如果已经发生生理的死，那么对于本体来说就没有创造生，当然，我的意思是不承认&ldquo;人生另一端旅程&rdquo;这种说法。换个角度说，快乐痛苦会互为因果，是因为&ldquo;你的生&rdquo;这个大前提，如果&ldquo;你死&rdquo;，那么快乐消失痛苦也消失，回归虚无。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 12:57:14<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">可能是我现在不理解&ldquo;无我&rdquo;这个概念，所以这个因果环上在这里断链<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:58:12<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">一样啊，把词换一下就行啊，因为一切都是在变化的，你得到生命就意味着你必然要失去生命，而这失去，就是死，所以，&ldquo;得到生命本身&rdquo;就已经包含着死了。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 12:58:47<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">但是死没意义啊<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:58:58<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">那生有什么意义呢？生和死和别的任何东西的意义不都是人赋予的吗？<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 12:59:22<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">我们现在可以这样讨论以及思考，是以生做前提的啊<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:00:17<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">再说 生和死是否需要割裂来看 跟死有没有意义有什么关系呢？<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:17:03<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">是啊，我同意你说，我们现在能讨论是因为我们处在生死这个过程中&ldquo;生&rdquo;的位置，但那又如何，我们站在地球上就不能讨论星空了吗？<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">就像之前说的，总在太高的视点来看就会导致虚无，总在太低的视点来看就会狭隘，之类。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">佛学就是站在蛮高的视点来看生死的，是在一个长的时间段来看生死的，所以，如果所有日常生活中遇到的问题都用佛学观念看，就会觉得都是&ldquo;无所谓&rdquo;的，都是不值得去努力得到的，这就会导致虚无。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">相反，如果所有的事都用现世的价值观去看，都想要尽量多的去获得，去拥有的话，又会被困住。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">所以，我最近比较喜欢说的是&ldquo;适度&rdquo;&ldquo;平衡&rdquo;。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:32:09<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">关于，如果没有生理的生，这一切不会被本体考虑及感受到。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">对，没有生理的生，死就不会被考虑及感受到。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">关于，如果已经发生生理的死，那么对于本体来说就没有创造生。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">生理的死就是生的完结，就像句号是整句话的一部分，死是生的一部分。至于说死创造的生，我个人的理解是，旧生命的死是给新生命腾出了生的空间，以人类种族的视角来看，旧个体的死换来了新个体的生，新世代取代旧世代，就是人类种族的&ldquo;生&rdquo;。当然，似乎也有佛学理论认为，个体的人死以后并不会消失而是会进入六道轮回，成为新生命。虽然我不太能接受这种说法，但起码在理论体系上是可以自圆其说的。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:07:13<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">忽然想到，生物界某些昆虫啦鱼啦，交配产卵之后就会死，可以很明显看出新生命的生与旧生命的死的交替。它们生的目的就是去产卵去延续种族，之后就会死，并不会哀叹也不会恐惧。人是因为&ldquo;自我&rdquo;的意识太强烈，所以并不会把自己看成自然界的一部分，看成人类种族的一部分。而是把自己看成&ldquo;自己世界的中心&rdquo;，其实，对人类种族来说，个体只是起个传承作用而已。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">小白兔子<span lang="EN-US"> 2009-06-30 18:40:39<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">没错没错，我要说的就是这个意思，我讲的虚无其实是站在极端个人主义的立场上来说的，假如将人生的某段经历拟人化的话，那么你度过了那段经历，就等于它&ldquo;死了&rdquo;，虽然他会对你未来的人生造成影响，从这种角度上说他是&ldquo;活的&rdquo;，但是对于&ldquo;它&rdquo;本身来说已经没有意义。单个个体的生和死都对种族有意义，但对于这单个个体而言，只有&ldquo;生&rdquo;有意义。我是这么认为的。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">那么我是不是可以认为，你不怕死是因为不在极端自私的视角呢？<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 10:25:33<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">谁知道呢？也许我只是没真正面对死亡，所以在这里说大话而已，也许我只是为了现在活得好，所以选择这种把死亡当常态的观念而已&hellip;&hellip;<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">另外，之前我说过，我承认这种虚无，但我已经厌倦了用这种虚无的态度面对生活了，我目前算是承认虚无，但仍认真的活在当下吧。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 10:28:53<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">还是那句话，意义并不存在于事物本身，意义要由自己来赋予。<br />
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<p><font face="Arial">小白兔子 11:15:00<br />
不求绝对真相，能骗到心服口服便已知足。 <br />
&mdash;&mdash;一言为定。&nbsp;<br />
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溯夜 11:15:34<br />
我并不是这个意思<br />
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小白兔子 11:16:13<br />
不，我是这个意思<br />
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溯夜 11:16:44<br />
呵呵 如果你觉得是骗 就永远不会心服口服<br />
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小白兔子 11:40:49<br />
这是文字概念啦，所指的就是一种状态<br />
就像我那篇博所说的&ldquo;幸福&rdquo;和&ldquo;快乐&rdquo;，其实指的都是和&ldquo;真实&rdquo;相对的一种状态，具体词汇忽略，我们彼此明白就好了<br />
我说的是，我一直在追求更勇敢的人生，但最近搞不清一件事&mdash;&mdash;每一个决定是在逃避还是在面对自我，比方和那个同事，到底&ldquo;放弃是逃避得不到的痛苦&rdquo;，还是&ldquo;追求是逃避不执著，以及回归没有爱的能力的自我定位&rdquo;，甚至其他选择也是为了逃避以上问题，每一个决定都不是直接从内心出发的答案1，而永远是逆转1的答案2。无论我怎么选都是胆小鬼，也只能在原点徘徊。</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">就像你说的，我已经厌倦这种状态了，或许我们在某个阶段总是试图更趋近事情的真相（当然现在也是），也很自然的用与常人不同的观点去看问题，但是在某一些牛角尖问题上，是不能这样一味追问下去的。不是说绝对不可以，&ldquo;死抠牛角尖&rdquo;是刻意形而上逃避面对现实，而&ldquo;放弃追问&rdquo;是不想回归虚无的结果，都是浮像，那么后者比较能骗得我心服口服，因为我还有其他事情要做&mdash;&mdash;不是绝对不可以，但前者带来的结果骗不住我，所以我不可以。</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">回过头说，关于死亡的问题，&ldquo;死的本能&rdquo;是绝对的这没问题，但是由活着的人类来说，就是假的。因为更亢进的迸发人生光辉也好，每天消极想人生的定义也好，都可能是逃避死亡的不可阻挡。假如没有真实的 ，那么我接受更能骗得我心服口服的。<br />
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小白兔子 11:41:03<br />
所以，我觉得是文字传达的问题<br />
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溯夜 11:57:29<br />
嗯 有点明白了 我们都是&ldquo;真实面对自己&rdquo;&ldquo;直视内心&rdquo;的，这点不需要怀疑，但这&ldquo;直面&rdquo;要做到什么程度？有时候会不会矫枉过正？太追求绝对的真实是不是就会走向反面？就会怀疑所谓真实？<br />
所以，也不能说是欺&ldquo;骗&rdquo;自己，只是说，按自己的心意去做就有好了，没必要反复深究永远无法获得标准答案的深层动机。无论是为了逃避痛苦还是为了确立自我，做自己认为该做的，自己相信的，就够了。</font></p>
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小白兔子 14:13:23<br />
不是这样的，生的意义归根结底指的是变化，而死相反是不变，比如你刚认识我的时候印象是很热情和有理想吧，但现在知道晚上又经常推翻</font><font face="Arial">一切。生与死指的并不止生命本身，拿&ldquo;友情&rdquo;举例，从某种程度说，如果一个人很难认可别人是&ldquo;朋友&rdquo;，而同时对&ldquo;非朋友&rdquo;的人又是冷</font><font face="Arial">漠的，那么&ldquo;朋友&rdquo;对他来说是生，而&ldquo;非朋友&rdquo;是死，因为朋友的变化对他来说会引起他的变化，即&ldquo;生&rdquo;，而&ldquo;非朋友&rdquo;天塌地陷也和他</font><font face="Arial">无关，即&ldquo;死&rdquo;。那么，&ldquo;朋友&rdquo;就是变化的，因为有可能成为&ldquo;非朋友&rdquo;，这个过程会影响到他（而且是负面的），但&ldquo;非朋友&rdquo;是不变的</font><font face="Arial">，除非成为&ldquo;朋友&rdquo;，这个是相对可控的（因为选择某人成为重要的人，和放弃重要的人相比，投入要小的多）。<br />
当一个人死的本能占优先时，他会害怕，因为不可控，而到一定程度就会变成虚无，类似&ldquo;如果一开始就不在乎的话，就是主动选择死，比被</font><font face="Arial">动的接受死要好很多&rdquo;。所以他会偏向主动的放弃朋友，主动选择死牺牲会小一些。越是在乎就越是承担不起。这样所有对他重要的东西都会</font><font face="Arial">被&ldquo;变化&rdquo;本身恐吓，而寻求虚无。<br />
同样，纵然是理想的人，原因也会有差别，有的是单纯的热血，比如我初中毕业前，而有些是逃避&ldquo;死&rdquo;而变相的阳光。<br />
并不是趋向&ldquo;死&rdquo;的人都应该认为&ldquo;反正都是要死的，那么努力干什么？&rdquo;有一部分会觉得&ldquo;在不可避免的死来临前，既然要毫无选择的面对</font><font face="Arial">充满变化的生（毫无选择的原因比较复杂，我们可以再讨论），那不如主动些，让这种变化的可控性增加些，比方我的人生是由我选择的&rdquo;但</font><font face="Arial">其实很难做到这样，总有不顺意的事情，那么要么接受，要么弯曲自己，这些又都会成为不可控。而最关键的，纵然做了这么多，还是要不可</font><font face="Arial">避免的迎来&ldquo;死&rdquo;，大家回归同一起跑线。当然可以说虽然都要死，但人生是每个人的，对于自己会有意义，但是&ldquo;死&rdquo;就意味永恒的完结，</font><font face="Arial">&ldquo;生&rdquo;也好&ldquo;痕迹&rdquo;也好还是虚无。而正是这种虚无，又将人推向&ldquo;掌握能掌握的&rdquo;生的本能，所以生死也是循环。作为我自己来说，白天和</font><font face="Arial">晚上这两个各占优势吧，就是说我虽然知道，但还是会受其中一个主导，就和知道某个人不该喜欢但还是痛苦一样，当时的想法和情绪也都是</font><font face="Arial">真实的。如果是晚上，我恐怕不会说这些，因为没有必要了，心境真的会完全变化。这些谁也无法否定谁，都是真实的。我也只有这样才能生</font><font face="Arial">存下去。而你的朋友可能&ldquo;死的本能&rdquo;占优势</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">小白兔子 14:24:20<br />
而说到行为上的代表，&ldquo;恋尸癖&rdquo;是其中之一，这种人追求（相对）永恒不变的不会背叛的美丽，只是方法太极端，很难调用理性去分析。缓</font><font face="Arial">和些的是&ldquo;吸血鬼崇拜&rdquo;，开始吸血鬼的形象并不是那么美的，但人们还是喜欢，因为永恒不变的生命即为&ldquo;死&rdquo;，以这种形式生存又是&ldquo;生</font><font face="Arial">&rdquo;，这样就同时掌握了生死。打个比方，把吸血鬼的&ldquo;永生&rdquo;和&ldquo;美丽&rdquo;分割开让你选，你选什么？大部分人会选&ldquo;永生&rdquo;吧，不好看还可以</font><font face="Arial">去整容啊，再&ldquo;美&rdquo;也是要死的。死了就什么都没了。<br />
但是没法拥有永生的生物，不变的就只有死了。</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 16:27:19<br />
刚拍完照&hellip;&hellip; </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 16:28:11<br />
我再看一遍理解一下啊 <br />
你们文艺青年讲的太深奥了 我得好好理解理解&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">小白兔子 16:30:40<br />
去死吧&hellip;&hellip;</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 16:31:09<br />
你们文艺青年太暴力了 </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 16:53:48<br />
我觉得 生的本质（而不是意义）是变化，而死相反是不变。而意义是人为了对抗&ldquo;死&rdquo;而人为的为&ldquo;生&rdquo;尤其是为&ldquo;自己的生命&rdquo;赋予的，也</font><font face="Arial">就是说，从本质上说人生确实就是虚无的，但对现在的我来说，承认这种虚无接受这种虚无是一回事，但以这种虚无为前提而生活是不被现在</font><font face="Arial">的我接受的，我为了让自己拥有有品质的人生，所以为自己的人生寻找了或说定义了一个&ldquo;意义&rdquo;，当然前提是我知道我承认人生是虚无的，</font><font face="Arial">因为&ldquo;变化是相对的，不变是绝对的&rdquo;（生是相对的，死是绝对的）。<br />
那个闹自杀的朋友我理解为开始他并没有真的理解&ldquo;生就是变化&rdquo;以及&ldquo;其实人都是以死为终点在活&rdquo;，而是单纯的追求&ldquo;永恒的、绚丽的生</font><font face="Arial">&rdquo;，当他需要面对这种&ldquo;变化&rdquo;，面对现实的时候，他就会把生看成绝对的&ldquo;虚无&rdquo;，而是把这&ldquo;虚无&rdquo;当成&ldquo;生&rdquo;的全部，从而否定&ldquo;生&rdquo;</font><font face="Arial">&hellip;&hellip;<br />
不过，既然没死，人还是得去寻找活着的意义的，不能一直虚无下去的&hellip;&hellip; <br />
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小白兔子 17:01:43<br />
嗯，因为这个过程是你愿意不愿意都要去做，所以很多东西就看想法，你可以认为这是你主动选择的，是真实的，也可以认为这是你欺骗自己</font><font face="Arial">的一个借口，看上去是主动的其实过程是被动的你只是主动找一个冠名，因为就像你说的，死是绝对的。<br />
但是对于倾向死亡本能的人来说，即使知道&ldquo;主动选择&rdquo;的想法比较积极，也能收到好的效果，也会有另一个声音告诉他一切还是&ldquo;一厢情愿</font><font face="Arial">&rdquo;的信以为真。因为从死的角度说的确一切没有意义。<br />
所以说，这样的人是无法劝说的，因为都是真的，都是本质，明知另一个较痛苦但仍然选择这就没办法了，并不是破除魔障那样的情况。<br />
我所相信的即为真实。他信了，就没办法了。</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 17:02:54<br />
我说的这个朋友曾说&ldquo;我曾以为爱情和友情都是永远不变的&rdquo; 当他发现现实并不像他曾坚信那样 他就崩溃了 忽然从一个极端转向了另一个极</font><font face="Arial">端 开始什么都不相信了&hellip;&hellip;<br />
而我常说的&ldquo;适度、平衡&rdquo;是指，既承认现实，即世界一切都是&ldquo;无所住&rdquo;的，也不因此放弃人生，而是自己给自己的人生寻找一个意义，然</font><font face="Arial">后为之努力。&nbsp;<br />
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溯夜 17:15:43<br />
对！其实如果一个人真想死，而且是真想通了所以选择死，我觉得是没法劝的。我劝我朋友是因为我并不觉得他是冷静的、深思熟虑后的选择</font><font face="Arial">，更像是坚信的东西被破坏了之后的无法面对，是逃避，是一时的，只要&ldquo;破除魔障&rdquo;，就可能重新站起来。<br />
如果一个人真的很理智的要选择死，我觉得不能说他的选择不对，因为就像你说的，他看到的都是真的，很多活着的人执着的才是虚幻的。<br />
另外，就像我之前说过，有时我们以为我们选择，其实我们并没有选择，而是类似于&ldquo;逆境不会改变一个人，只会显露一个人的本性&rdquo;这种&hellip;</font><font face="Arial">&hellip;<br />
所以，我在真正接触死亡之前，我并没有认真想过我是想死还是想活的问题，但后来我发现我想活，我只是因为想活，想好好活，所以才拼命</font><font face="Arial">给自己的人生赋予意义，我才成为了现在的我&hellip;&hellip; <br />
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小白兔子 17:20:42<br />
嗯，我的结果是无解，所以就分裂了&hellip;&hellip;<br />
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溯夜 17:20:59<br />
对 你还没决定是想死还是想活&nbsp; <br />
或者说 你还没遇到某件触发你去认识自己到底想死还是想活的事情 <br />
所以 结论就是 孩子 你还年轻&hellip;&hellip;&nbsp; <br />
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小白兔子 17:25:50<br />
恩，可以这么说，我的结果是活下去，但是还没有什么能让我决定&ldquo;主动&rdquo;的想活，我想为了家人为了朋友不难过，以及他们难过我就算死也</font><font face="Arial">会自我否定这种理由不是&ldquo;主动&rdquo;，主动应该是更深处的，更自私的，比如&ldquo;还有很多东西没尝试，不甘心&rdquo;这算主动的，但是现在这种想法</font><font face="Arial">简单想想是没错，但仔细想不足以推翻&ldquo;死的本能&rdquo;&mdash;&mdash;对于我来说</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">小白兔子 17:26:22<br />
这和年纪没关系&hellip;&hellip;</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 17:27:10<br />
对 没错 现在只是没死，并不是&ldquo;选择活&rdquo;&hellip;&hellip;<br />
我说的&ldquo;年轻&rdquo;也跟&ldquo;年纪&rdquo;没关系 <br />
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小白兔子 17:27:11<br />
是路线不同，路上的风景也不同，或者风景类似但出现的先后顺序也不同</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 17:31:08<br />
&nbsp;我理解的&ldquo;年轻&rdquo;就是我刚才说的&ldquo;没定型&rdquo;，充满各种可能性，对自己要什么，选择什么也不是很确定&hellip;&hellip;<br />
&ldquo;成熟&rdquo;（不年轻、老了）就是大部分都定型了，比较明确的知道自己是什么样的人，想要什么之类&hellip;&hellip;<br />
至于风景出现的顺序我理解为&ldquo;知识&rdquo;或&ldquo;能力&rdquo;之类的东西&hellip;&hellip; <br />
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小白兔子 17:32:58<br />
那如果已经定型的东西被推翻，开始重建呢？返老还童？</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 17:35:10<br />
就是除非遇到极端情况，否则不会把定型的东西推翻就叫&ldquo;成熟&rdquo;了，而极端情况是个案，比如 密羊 那种一般出现的可能性很小。<br />
当然 也会不断有些微调 那就是&ldquo;不断成长&rdquo;&ldquo;更加成熟&rdquo;嘛～&nbsp; <br />
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小白兔子 17:36:18<br />
也对，越是不变，越是离&ldquo;死&rdquo;近，从常识上说也是离死越近越成熟</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">小白兔子 17:36:51<br />
所以我觉得好可怕</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 17:37:05<br />
所以 你痛苦啦 迷惘啦 都说明你年轻啊 <br />
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溯夜 17:37:56<br />
不可怕～ &ldquo;成熟&rdquo;也包括接受死亡，接受人生就是离死越来越近的过程～ <br />
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小白兔子 17:38:59<br />
不，我说的是想到&ldquo;永远不变&rdquo;很可怕&hellip;&hellip;</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">溯夜 17:39:39<br />
死就是&ldquo;永远不变&rdquo;，永远不变就是&ldquo;死&rdquo;，其实都一样～<br />
喵 我朋友找我出去吃饭 我先走啦 回头再聊这个&ldquo;最核心最本质最重要&rdquo;的问题～&nbsp;<br />
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整理聊天记录的时候发现我当时对通灵的话有些地方没理解透&hellip;&hellip;所以回复的有点儿着三不着两。<br />
有机会再谈吧～</font></p>...
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没对照《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E5%B0%8F%E5%9B%A2%E5%9C%86?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">小团圆</a>》，先把《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E4%BB%8A%E7%94%9F%E4%BB%8A%E4%B8%96?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">今生今世</a>》看了。《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E5%B0%8F?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">小</a>》以后有机会再说，目前我乐观积极拼搏向上没事找抽的气场不适合看张爱玲的东西。<br />
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胡兰成的文字我不怎么喜欢，虽然有些情境和比喻不错，但我马上想到张爱玲的浑然天成，他就被比下去了。另外，文风不文不白不说，关键</font><font face="Arial">他太喜欢旁征博引，说什么都要引一段经典诗词来比，我总觉得才气不足学问补的人才最愿意这么写。（你看我说到这儿都没引艾略特的荒原</font><font face="Arial">、乔伊斯的尤利西斯来类比&hellip;&hellip;boy有一次评价我：&ldquo;你是个普通的人，在努力使自己不普通&hellip;&hellip;&rdquo;，才气不足学问补就类似这种感觉。）<br />
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有人说不能因人废文，我倒觉得他人很有趣。他有个非常大的优点&mdash;&mdash;不挑剔，专业术语叫&ldquo;没有分别心&rdquo;，看这个亦是好的，那个亦是好的</font><font face="Arial">（对女人还有可能是单纯的燃点低，但对山河破碎落荒而逃父母打架他都能看出端然圆满来，我就觉得这&ldquo;亦是好的&rdquo;有点不够真诚）&hellip;&hellip;胡</font><font face="Arial">不单是懂得女人的，更是欣赏女人的，朱天心语：&ldquo;七八分好的在他面前也会成为十分好&rdquo;。很多人骂他自私薄情，惊讶他能在那么短的时间</font><font face="Arial">就勾搭到那么多女人，其实这一点不奇怪，就像我以前说过的，异性从来不是什么稀缺资源，只要你不挑剔，还能没有吗？另外，我始终相信</font><font face="Arial">一分耕耘一分收获，他能得到那么多女人的爱，他必也给了那些女人所需要的。女人要什么？无非两样，或者精神，或者物质，这两样他都给</font><font face="Arial">得起，也舍得给。论精神，人家可是能跟张爱玲唱和应答的聪明人，又真的无分别的懂女人欣赏女人。论物质，胡并不是像传说中的靠女人吃</font><font face="Arial">饭，开始时小周就说她妈让她向他道谢，临走时胡又留了多少根金条。结合其他文献来看，恐怕包括张在内，都是胡给的多拿的少，只是他更</font><font face="Arial">愿意说女人给他钱的事儿而已。我猜可能他觉得这是他的魅力，就像我认识的一个人曾炫耀，他前女友为他自杀，未遂。<br />
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所以作为一个半调子张迷，我一点也不觉得张跟他是命苦或遇人不淑。觉得张最大的不幸是遇到了胡这种观点，真是太看不起张爱玲了。先别</font><font face="Arial">说一个人的幸福不可能是别人给的，就算女人的幸福需要男人来给，那当时又有谁能给张爱玲幸福？当时，包括胡适在内的一干&ldquo;文化人&rdquo;，</font><font face="Arial">在花心方面都绝对不输胡兰成，在&ldquo;聪明&rdquo;（恐怕少不了曲意逢迎的成分）方面还未必及得上胡呢～</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">张那时想去爱（爱情是一个人而不是两个人的事情），她需要一个&ldquo;聪明&rdquo;的异性欣赏她爱她，所以她跟聪明人胡兰成交往本就是求仁得仁。</font><font face="Arial">（有人这样形容：胡说得到位的，是懂得，说得不到位的，是爱，从未有人那样全方位多角度长时间地观看她倾听她，张爱玲真是欢喜得欲仙</font><font face="Arial">欲死。）<br />
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再说，张跟胡兰成交往时胡就是有老婆的，不顾这一事实仍选择跟胡交往的她，有什么立场要求胡忽然转性变得从一而终呢？<br />
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想要对方可靠就别奢望情趣，想要对方多情就别奢望忠诚，想要惊天动地就别再奢望天长地久&hellip;&hellip;想要对方集人类所有的优点于一身却只爱你</font><font face="Arial">一个&hellip;&hellip;去买本yy小说吧。张选择了她爱，也让她感受到被爱的人，虽然俩人最后没白头偕老，但世间一切本就是无所住的，非要生生世世就</font><font face="Arial">是执念了。恋爱时享受精神盛宴，缘尽了就放手，留个美好回忆，非常好。<br />
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可惜事情并没有那么好。<br />
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本来凡事都有代价，既然享受了恋爱，那被爱情所伤也是应该的（不会受伤的人其实也没享受到恋爱，只享受到了其它，比如虚荣比如物质比</font><font face="Arial">如性），张为胡的花心所苦，背上汉奸夫人的名声，甚至贴钱给他这都是应该的。<br />
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但糟糕的是，代价并不是付到这里为止。更大的代价是：恋情结束后，胡大才子用他文采斐然的生花妙笔按自己的兴趣拣选素材，把她在特定</font><font face="Arial">情境下说过的情话公之于众，把她跟他私密的情史写成她最讨厌的一幕戏剧，并把她安排在这部一个才子N多佳人的风流剧中扮演某佳人的角色</font><font face="Arial">&hellip;&hellip;<br />
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人类个体本来都是以自己为主角在看待身边发生的事的。（那些在木子美博客上忽然看到自己大名的人，开始都是以搞上木子美为荣的吧？）</font><font face="Arial">当自以为是主角的人忽然看到同一件事另一视角的另一版本，而在这版本里自己只是个可笑的死跑龙套的，只是集邮册里无数邮票中的一枚&hellip;</font><font face="Arial">&hellip;于是，那些本来属于自己的美好记忆就此变质，关于爱情的美梦就此变成噩梦，这就有点惨了。<br />
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那些同情张的人是同情她这一点吧？就像同</font><font face="Arial">情赵xx老师一样，并不是同情他的情史本身，而是对方一开口，在被讲述出来的故事里，赵老师就成了可笑的小丑。<br />
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不过我不同情她，因为这代价她仍付得起。<br />
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首先，拥有&ldquo;话语权&rdquo;的并非只有胡一人，虽然本来&ldquo;不可说，一说就破&rdquo;的爱情童话被胡&ldquo;破&rdquo;掉了，但张的自我身份认同本就是&ldquo;写作者</font><font face="Arial">&rdquo;，她有能力用支离破碎的素材再建一个新故事，在那个故事里，胡也只能扮演张让他扮演的角色而已（《小团圆》？）。其次，毕</font><font face="Arial">竟陷入自己编织的爱情美梦的她，只是整个她的一小部分，她更重要的部分仍是那个犀利、清醒、直面真我而非自欺欺人的张爱玲。这样的人</font><font face="Arial">，是不害怕看到&ldquo;真相&rdquo;的。<br />
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ps . 我觉得张爱玲最大的不幸同时也是她最大的幸运，是她的原生家庭，而这是她无法选择的。没有那样的父母，她就不会变得如此孤僻冷漠，同样，她也不会有如此犀利无情观察世界的眼睛，不会写出为其人生留下&ldquo;痕迹&rdquo;的作品了。</font></p>...
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<p><font face="Arial">美丽心灵的永恒阳光&nbsp; <br />
</font><font face="Arial">因为痛苦就去消除记忆，将爱过的人从人生中完全删除，这事儿很不靠谱。且别说逃避是可怜</font><font face="Arial">的胆小鬼行径，就算甘心做胆小鬼，消除记忆这事也极不聪明，记忆是人非常非常宝贵的财富，除了</font><font face="Arial">记忆以外还有什么真正属于自己呢？经历使人成长，痛苦让人成熟。哭了又哭，吵了又吵，好不容易</font><font face="Arial">成长一点，记忆一消除，就又变回老天真了，那之前的苦不是白吃、罪不是白受了吗？<br />
风格、节奏、色调都不错，演员们我也很喜欢，包括邓斯特和演她医生老板的那个英国<font face="Arial">老头。推荐通灵，金凯瑞的这部片相当于范晓萱的绝世名伶。</font><br />
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换子疑云&nbsp; <br />
见贤思齐，决心做个坚韧的人。当然，如果可以选，我还是会选幸运。</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">伴我同行&nbsp; <br />
孔老先生说，未知生焉知死。其实对死亡的理解也会影响一个人对生的态度。另外，芬尼克斯哥哥小</font><font face="Arial">时候好可爱~</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">白日美人<br />
我理解这就是有钱有闲大发了的资产阶级家庭主妇的白日梦，至于为啥不是韩剧里那种遇到白马王子</font><font face="Arial">的而是这种幻想，王老师的遗孀李老师专门写过一本书。</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">明朝那些事儿<br />
去翻当年明月的blog，发现《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E6%98%8E%E6%9C%9D%E9%82%A3%E4%BA%9B%E4%BA%8B%E5%84%BF?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">明朝那些事儿</a>》完结了。<br />
于谦说：粉身碎骨浑不怕，要留清白在人间。<br />
戚继光说：鞠躬尽瘁夕死无憾，此即长生之道。<br />
徐霞客说：我只是个平民，没有受命，只是穿着布衣，拿着拐杖，穿着草鞋，凭借自己，游历天下，</font><font face="Arial">故虽死，无憾。<br />
当年明月说：成功只有一个&mdash;&mdash;按照自己的方式，去度过人生。</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">最后贴一段《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E6%98%8E%E6%9C%9D%E9%82%A3%E4%BA%9B%E4%BA%8B?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">明朝那些事</a>》后记里的一段话：每一个人，他的飞黄腾达和他的没落，对他本人而言，</font><font face="Arial">是几十年，而对我而言，只有几页，前一页他很牛，后一页就怂了。王朝也是如此。真没意思，没意</font><font face="Arial">思透了。但我坚持幽默，是因为我明白，无论这个世界有多绝望，你自己都要充满希望。人生并非如</font><font face="Arial">某些人所说，很短暂，事实上，有时候，它很漫长，特别是对苦难中的人，漫长得想死。但我坚持，</font><font face="Arial">无论有多绝望，无论有多悲哀，每天早上起来，都要对自己说，这个世界很好，很强大。这句话，不</font><font face="Arial">是在满怀希望光明时说的，很绝望、很无助，很痛苦，很迷茫的时候，说这句话。要坚信，你是一个</font><font face="Arial">勇敢的人。因为你还活着，活着，就要继续前进。<br />
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        <description><![CDATA[<span style="COLOR: #2a2a2a; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">副标题是：我看成功学～望天～<br />
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为了马上实现财务自由，最近一直没用心工作，而是把时间花在看书看报收集资讯上，想找到一条惠而不费赚大钱、多快好省鼓腰包的捷径。<br />
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其间，我忽然感到，</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt">无论如何人的自由都是有限的，财务自由也只是自由的一部分而已，而且不是最重要的部分。人能拥有的最重要自由是：运用理性我们可以主动选择成为什么人，即，放弃某些自由换取另一些自由。<span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: #2a2a2a"><o:p></o:p></span></span></font></font>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">罗伯特清崎曾说过：穷人得到安全舒适，富人得到自由（资产千万勉强可算小富），例子之一是，同样坐飞机，如果你是富人，你就可以自由选择坐经济舱还是贵宾舱。这话乍听起来很有道理，但只要结合作者之前阐述的，要成为富人所必须遵循的自律原则（如何削减开支将资金用于投资而非消费），就会发现其实即使是富人还是没有选择。因为如果你是自律的富人，你就会选经济舱把省下的钱用于投资，而如果你不自律，理论上你就不会成为富人。（在清崎定义中，没有富人思维方式的富二代即使握有大把金钱也不算&ldquo;富人&rdquo;。）在某种意义上，穷人也有选择坐经济舱正常过日子或选择贵宾舱下半个月挨饿的自由。<br />
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如他在书中所说，如果你想减肥，仅仅是&ldquo;做&rdquo;限制饮食适当运动是没用的，你得&ldquo;成为&rdquo;一个限制饮食适当运动的人。同样，如果你想富有，就必须从思想到行动，从价值观到方法论，从形而上学到意识形态&hellip;&hellip;成为一个富人。<br />
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现实的例子不胜枚举：早已不需再勤俭的李嘉诚还是非常勤俭，因为&ldquo;勤俭&rdquo;已经成了&ldquo;李嘉诚&rdquo;的一部分，变&ldquo;勤俭&rdquo;为&ldquo;奢侈&rdquo;几乎就等于再世为人。罗布特清崎本人也是，即使到现在他仍在做投资，在经营公司，因为那是他最擅长、耗费心血最多、最能用来确立自我价值的事，那已经成为他非常重要的一部分。<br />
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选择成为富人，就意味着放弃了像穷人一样思考、行动的自由。（不想要是另一回事，那不说明成为穷人的自由不是自由。）<br />
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当然，富人的自由度相对穷人要高很多，这肯定，但直接用二分法判定富人得到了自由，而穷人没有自由，就太简单粗暴了。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">另外，我想，永远也不要幻想：我先暂时放弃一些原则，放弃一些重要的东西，等我&ldquo;成功&rdquo;以后，我再重拾重要的东西。那不可能。妥协的结果就是，首先你成为了一个妥协的人，其次如果你不彻底放弃现在的你，成为&ldquo;成功者&rdquo;，你就不会&ldquo;成功&rdquo;；如果放弃了，得到&ldquo;成功&rdquo;的那个人就不是&ldquo;你&rdquo;，不是&ldquo;你&rdquo;，当然不会去重拾&ldquo;你&rdquo;认为重要的东西啦。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">当然，人并不是个固定不变的东西，问题是你到底想要&ldquo;成为&rdquo;怎样的人，在这个选择上你有多大的自由，这才是最重要的。<br />
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在当代社会，几乎想成为&ldquo;任何人&rdquo;都是有可能的，只是成为&ldquo;某些人&rdquo;的成本更高，风险更大（风险也可看作成本的一部分）而已。虽然有些人的资本相对丰厚些（又聪明又漂亮又出身名门），有些人的资本相对短缺些（又笨又丑又生在山沟），但起码大家都是人，对人来说，资本总是有的，活着、会思考，就是资本；从另一方面说，对于人来说，资本也总是有限的，即使是富二代，他的时间、精力、资源也是有限的，选择在企业和家族中掌握实权发号施令的可能，就意味着放弃声色犬马悠游人间的可能，放弃行侠仗义治病救人的可能，放弃另立门户白手起家的可能&hellip;&hellip;<br />
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没有任何东西是不需要成本的，说有，就是经济学没念好。当今社会，大多数人怀揣着不同的资本想成为同样的人&mdash;&mdash;所谓&ldquo;成功者&rdquo;。我想，在加入追逐的洪流之前，最好先问问自己，要得到同样的东西，别人需付出的成本是多少，自己需付出的成本是多少。如果以利润最大化为目标，成为&ldquo;成功者&rdquo;真的是&ldquo;成功&rdquo;的吗？当然，不计代价另说。<br />
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别再说什么老掉牙的社会达尔文主义了，达尔文可没说过自然界里食草动物的目标是往食肉动物方向进化。<br />
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最后回到开头的话题，那就是虽然我拜读了多本成功学、投资学、管理学的书刊杂志，也膜拜了各种&ldquo;一年包赚二十万&rdquo;、&ldquo;股市黑马必杀技&rdquo;等绝学秘方小广告，不过到现在为止，我尚未发现有真正安全轻松又有效的捷径可走。想达到财务自由，最靠谱的办法还是努力工作，提高收入，不断学习，量入为出，买够保险，有效投资&hellip;&hellip;</font></font></span><span style="COLOR: #2a2a2a; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">这看起来就是条漫长而艰辛的路。<br />
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幸而沿路风景尚好，那就慢慢往前走吧。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
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最后贴一段和某<span lang="EN-US">18</span>岁少年的聊天记录：<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">某少年<span lang="EN-US"> 14:30:48</span>时代问题不是一句两句能说清楚的。。。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:31:51</span>呵呵 好吧 反正我的固化思维就是认为你想做一个官僚买办企业 起码前期是一个官僚买办企业 <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">某<span lang="EN-US"> 14:32:48</span>因为在这个时代下，我们必须通过某种方式来给我正常崛起提供一个空间 如果不这么做，你连正常崛起的可能都没有<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>我所买的是我公平正常的空间 <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:35:05</span>呵呵 了解 那加油吧 <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">某<span lang="EN-US"> 14:39:38 </span>我是不是很讨厌 <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:41:19 </span>不是 我觉得蛮悲哀的 中国年轻人现在的理想居然是认同这个社会的腐败 只想加入既得利益集团 <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">某<span lang="EN-US"> 14:42:18</span>我买的是一个公平的环境 因为体制给不了我<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>这也算官僚买办？花钱买本来应该有的基础设施。。。应该觉得我很可怜才对<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:48:09</span>是啊，就是觉得蛮可怜的，因为首先你跟真正的、已经在既得利益集团里的年轻人比，已经不在同一起跑线了（当然 如果你家真有亲友在中央或起码是省市做高官那还好些）。其次你认为你发展起来不再跟官僚牵扯不清后就不需要竞争了吗？你还是要跟官僚买办企业竞争啊。发展起来以后的你用什么跟他们竞争？就像现在初创阶段的企业无法跟你想要做的那种企业竞争一样。这叫公平吗？靠行贿能买到公平吗？<span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">某<span lang="EN-US"> 14:50:10</span>你所认为的这些，只是我对起步的看法，我有一整套的措施及计划，甚至是每一种员工的福利政策，而且我们必须要考虑到时代的发展！我要做的不是和某一高冠勾结，而是让别人因为欲望而去打通某一高官。看来你的认识（还是不行）啊。。。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">不用再贴下去了，总之就是坚定的认为自己找到了一条别人没找到的快速高效可持续发展之路（行贿被抓都是因为没找到聪明的方法而他找到了），并对所有&ldquo;污蔑&rdquo;这条光明大道的贬义词（诸如行贿、官商勾结）表示不可接受（不可接受的是词汇，而非行为）。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">我只想说两句话，第一句&ldquo;救救孩子&rdquo;，第二句&ldquo;太好了，再聊两个这样的，我的恋童癖就能彻底治愈啦&rdquo;～<br />
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<span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E5%8D%97%E4%BA%AC%EF%BC%81%E5%8D%97%E4%BA%AC%EF%BC%81?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">南京！南京！</a>》<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我觉得不够好。或者说，这不是我期待的。<br />
我本来期待在片子里看到导演明确的情绪、好恶、观点。这是一个中国人拍的，讲中国人在短短几十年前被异国侵略、被异族屠城的电影，为什么要用一个高高在上的视点，用一种所谓客观的角度来讲呢，别说他讲不好，就算能，我也不想看到这种视角。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">为什么要用一个日本士兵作为贯穿整部电影的线索人物？为什么要平均分布笔墨来讲中国人的痛苦和日本人的痛苦？为什么比起表现日本人残忍的一面（除了接受命令更会因为一时兴起杀人取乐之类），片子用了更多的篇幅在描写日本人的恐惧、思乡、痛苦甚至善良？这部片子是用了两个惊叹号的《南京！南京！》啊，并不是什么《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E4%B8%9C%E4%BA%AC%EF%BC%81%E4%B8%9C%E4%BA%AC%EF%BC%81?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">东京！东京！</a>》，也不是《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89%EF%BC%81%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89%EF%BC%81?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">战争！战争！</a>》吧？<br />
当然，我当然知道战争也同样给日本人民带来了深重的痛苦灾难，我看日本人拍的《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E8%90%A4%E7%81%AB%E8%99%AB%E4%B9%8B%E5%A2%93?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">萤火虫之墓</a>》就觉得拍得非常好（人家可没分出笔墨来同情中国人），作为一个中国人你还能拍得比那个好吗？再说，就算能拍得比那个好，为什么要拍呢？自己身上的虱子还到处爬呢，怎么有心思给别人挠痒痒呢？确实，世界是多元的，从一个比较高的视角来看，不能说哪种观点绝对对，哪种绝对错。但人总得有自己的立场吧，人总得知道自己是谁吧？<br />
也许，导演觉得比起作为一个中国人，他首先是一个电影导演，而我觉得比起作为一个欣赏电影艺术的观众，我首先是一个中国人，结果我奔着看一部讲中国人民是啥样的电影去了，却看到导演花了一半的笔墨讲日本人民是啥样的，所以我就觉得这部片子不够好。我本来是希望看到导演的视线更多关注中国人，无论是痛恨中国人的麻木懦弱任人宰割也好（所以对统治者来说被统治者都是绝对的顺民也不见得总是好事），还是歌颂中国人的英勇抵抗执着不屈也好，是赞扬中国人的自我牺牲也好，还是表现中国人的&ldquo;生生不息&rdquo;也好&hellip;&hellip;确实，上述几点导演都有表现一点儿，但哪方面也没被突出，都是点到即止、平铺直叙的&hellip;&hellip;<br />
我想问，导演，你在哪儿？毕竟这不是一部&ldquo;客观的&rdquo;记录片，虽然用黑白胶片表现，但从镜头语言和配乐来看，这部电影也并没有要模仿记录片的企图。对一部非纪实性的电影来说，《南京！南京！》太平庸了。<br />
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《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E9%BB%91%E5%A1%94%E5%88%A9%E4%BA%9A?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">黑塔利亚</a>》（</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1~13</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">）<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">虽然说到《南京！南京！》我一副义愤填膺的样子，但我不是愤青，不抵制日货，喜欢日本文化，期待去日本旅行&hellip;&hellip;我觉得《黑塔利亚》很有趣。虽然这部动画被韩国人抗议说美化二战中的轴心国，但那是日本人自己眼中的轴心国，人家眼中德国就是大哥，意大利就是小受，日本就是正太，俄国就是腹黑，法国就是徒有其名表，美国就是爱当英雄&hellip;&hellip;再说，那就是部娱乐搞笑的动画，不是严肃题材更不是历史教科书，总不能让人家无论是谁无论什么场合一提到二战就做痛苦反思状吧。<br />
我觉得，关于二战，我们应该自己多花心思想想自己为什么会被欺负成那样，自己要怎么改进，怎么不让历史重演，而不是把心思都放在盯着别人怎么反省上。因为盯着也没用，只要你还那么弱，人家反省得再好，遇到合适的机会还是会来侵略你的。变强才是硬道理。<br />
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另，去网上看关于《南京！南京！》的评论，有一个人说得比较激愤，但我得说他说的有道理，因为在影院看这段时我也被&ldquo;震撼&rdquo;到了&mdash;&mdash;&ldquo;<font face="Arial">热烈庆祝胜利占领南京大典开始 这场大典我无法用语言描绘 充满了大和武士道与神道教的精气神 力劲斗 势霸道 魄雄浑 就算把黑泽明从坟墓里挖出来拍也不过如此吧~我看了居然有强烈的认同感与归属感 恨不得变成日本人或者让全中国人都变成象日本人那样的人!不得不感叹日本人是一个充满斗志 向上 认真 危险但迷人的民族!川你丫不就是想达到这样的效果吗?陆川龟太郎用这场庆典 直接把中国钉在了历史的耻辱柱上!&rdquo;我知道导演不是被日本鬼上身，只是想尽量客观、想找个不同的角度来拍，但因其自身的能力不足，结果就把片子搞成了四不像。<br />
《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E9%AC%BC%E5%AD%90%E6%9D%A5%E4%BA%86?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">鬼子来了</a>》比《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E5%8D%97%E4%BA%AC%EF%BC%81%E5%8D%97%E4%BA%AC?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">南京！南京</a>》强一百倍啊。</font></span></p>...
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        <description><![CDATA[<span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 15:33:43<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">在吗</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 16:56:36<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">现在在了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 16:56:47<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">干嘛去了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 16:57:28<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">啥也没干</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> q</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">掉了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 16:57:48<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我在看《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E9%AC%BC%E5%AD%90%E6%9D%A5%E4%BA%86?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">鬼子来了</a>》</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 16:58:09<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">看完了吗</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">咋样？</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 16:58:38<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">姜文真他妈的才华横溢 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不是我说的，看网友的评论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 16:58:56<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">哈哈哈</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:00:55<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">有一个影评说&ldquo;是一部迎刃而上的电影&rdquo;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:01:32<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">大陆很少有&ldquo;黑色幽默&rdquo;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:02:47<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我刚看完时想</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">为何我们的民族性会是这样</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是因为常年战乱、贫困、压榨、密集的生存空间等等而形成的生存策略吗<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">后来我想</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们不可能变成狼</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">即使在某些历史时期狼生存的更好</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但在漫长的进化中</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">兔子也没被淘汰</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而且生存的挺好</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">这应该也可以了吧</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:03:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">生存方式不同而已，存在的就是合理的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:03:40<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嗯</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但被禁了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:03:45<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是啊</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:03:52<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">广电总局的王八蛋</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">大饭桶</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">老巫婆</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:05:23<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">哈哈</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">这种一定会被禁呀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">跟政府提供给我们的意识形态和主流观念大相径庭的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不禁你留着你呀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;<br />
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米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:06:16<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不用说这个这么给劲儿 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就连汤唯都被封杀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是不是有毛病</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:07:19<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">对啊</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">禁汤唯纯粹是精神不好</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:07:46<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">人家就是个演员</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就算片子有问题</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">也禁不到演员身上呀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:07:53<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">他们也是挑软柿子捏</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">梁朝伟怎么不禁</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">李安也不禁</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:08:20<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">再说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你片子都引进发行了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">禁人家演员是什么意思嘛</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">要么你就禁整部片子</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">首先是导演</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:08:23<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">欺负人呗</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:08:32<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">对啊</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就是欺负人</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:08:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">有病，变态</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:10:05<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就是这种鼓励说假话</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">惩罚说真话的社会</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">能咋办呢</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">吴思说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">中国已经成为一个让人想要逃离的社会了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:10:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">凑合活吧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:10:44<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">又没钱，想移民也不行啊</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:13:43<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就是啊</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">移民也很难过上主流社会的生活呀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">以我们的能力和财力和种族和素质和其他&hellip;&hellip;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:15:02<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">说起来</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们生活在城市</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">已经是属于在中国生活的比较好的一群人了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">中国最惨的是农民</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">尤其中国又是农业大国</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">大部分人生活中农村</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">什么也没有</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">只能被压榨</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:16:06<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">那有空忧国忧民呀，还是顾好我自己吧。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:16:30<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就是和你叨叨一下而已</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:17:13<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们生活在这个国家和社会</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然应该&ldquo;忧国忧民&rdquo;啊</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">覆巢之下焉有完卵</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:17:48<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然啦</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">也不能把大部分精力用来忧国忧民就是了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:18:26<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不，我还是更关心我的生活，就算我忧国忧民也改变不了什么。连自己的生活都弄不好，拿什么忧国忧民</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:19:12<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">也就是说说，其实我的生活有时自己都很难掌控。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:20:32<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我的意思就是说你的生活是和这个国家这个社会息息相关的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不可能独立存在</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">现在看也看不出紧密</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但说不好什么时候就会变紧密（比如如果再有场革命之类</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们能安然过自己的日子吗？虽然这可能性很小</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但不表示完全没有）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:21:06<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嗯</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">人本来就很难真正掌握自己的命运</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">更别说国家民族的了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:21:30<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">哦，还是别革命了，革命了之后一旦还没现在好，也是不好说的事。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:22:02<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我只关心自己，不关心民生。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:23:23<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是啊</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">社会动乱是最可怕了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">政府和人民都不想</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但如果有太多人活不下去</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">这也不是不可能的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就我的视野来说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">还没看出来有革命的迹象</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但看到过有文章在提了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:24:03<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我的意思就是你不可能脱离社会而生存吧</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">关心民生就是关心自己</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:24:38<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">恩，跟自己利益相关</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">的就会关心</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但是，也改变不了什么</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:25:20<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">肯定相关呀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">哪怕暂时看不出来</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:25:44<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不，有的就不相干</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:25:44<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">保持清醒总是比较好的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">哪怕改变不了什么</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:25:52<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">比如？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:25:58<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">恩，你们都是有激情人</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:26:11<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">比如落户问题</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:26:12<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">跟激情没关系</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是理智</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:26:20<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我的已经解决了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就不关心</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:26:34<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">从没关心过</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:26:58<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论不累吗，怎么这么多人喜欢辩论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:27:07<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">赢了有奖吗？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:27:39<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">因为人都想证明自己是对的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:29:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论是有技巧的，只能证明辩论的能力，不是谁辩论赢了，谁的理论就是正确的。再说有些事情也没什么错与对。选择不同，要的结果也不一样。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:29:20<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我是真的能在辩论中得到乐趣</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">因为在表达的时候可以更好的整理思路</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">把模糊的观念变得清晰</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而且在互动中可以发现观念的漏洞和不足</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">可以改善</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:30:07<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">只能证明你的辩论能力很强。不代表观点。。。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:30:13<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">对</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论也是为了表明自己的立场</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:31:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是啊，可是就算别人辩论输了，也不代表什么</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:31:20<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">可以让对方更了解自己的立场和所持的观念</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">因为决定一个人是怎样的人其中很重要的一点就是看他抱怎样的观念</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:31:50<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而且</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论没有什么输赢之说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">只是交换观点而已</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:32:07<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">更明晰的交换观点</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:32:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不代表人家会真认同你</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:32:40<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以说你们是有激情的人</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:32:51<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不是为了让别人认同</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果全世界都认同某种绝对真理</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">这世界不是很可怕吗</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">起码无趣的可怕</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:33:21<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是啊，所以你是有激情的人</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:33:28<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果这就算有激情</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">那我是有激情的人</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我已经不是虚无主义者啦</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:33:44<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是啊，我觉得累死了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:34:04<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">有什么可争辩的呢，一种观点而已</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:34:21<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嗯</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你不能从交换观点中得到乐趣</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:34:24<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">人人的观点都不同嘛</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:34:49<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">可是你很激烈哟</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:35:02<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">好像在参加辩论比赛。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:35:06<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是指口气很激烈吗</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:35:25<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">习惯了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我和朋友聊天都是这样的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:35:35<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我就要疯了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:35:42<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">事事如此</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:35:54<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">人人如此</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:36:01<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">至于那么激动么</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:36:17<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我一点也不激动啊</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我就是说我的看法而已啊</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:36:47<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不是，完全是辩论，辩论和交换看法是不一样的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:38:52<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然有人即使自己的观点和对方的不同也会附和或沉默</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但我除非是对懒得理的人</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">对朋友肯定会说自己的看法</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果朋友提出不同的观点</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我就会反驳</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">他再反驳回来</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们可以从中得到很大的乐趣</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:39:41<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">这只是习惯而已</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果你觉得很难接受</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">那我就不这样跟你&ldquo;交换观念&rdquo;好了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:42:20<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不是要你符合或者沉默，只是一种观点而已，世界上不止一种看法，世界是多元的，有些事就是角度不同或是看法不同，没什么谁必须压倒谁，谁认同谁，从一开始就能觉得是两种看法，没什么好辩论的呀。好怪呀。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:44:40<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">世界都疯了，每个人都爱辩论。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:45:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就因为世界有多种观念才要拿出来说&ldquo;我是抱这种观念的哦&rdquo;，你呢？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">然后经过&ldquo;辩论&rdquo;知道了对方抱的观念是什么</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">也更了解了自己所抱的观念（因为了解了漏洞和源头之类）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:45:57<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">为什么大家都觉得一定要自己的观点压倒别人的观点，或者让别人认同自己的观点呢？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:46:05<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">为什么你认为别人说自己的观点就是要压倒对方</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">或是迫使别人认同呢</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:46:31<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">因为辩论不是交流呀</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:46:42<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论当然是交流啊</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:47:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论是要争出个结果的呀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">要反驳对方的呀</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:47:45<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论当然有它的技巧</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但更重要的是在阐述和展开这个论点的时候更多的发现它</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">认识它</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:47:59<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">交流平和的，辩论是有攻击性的呀</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:48:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不是的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">很多辩论不需要有什么结果</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:48:36<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">目的是驳倒对方</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">交流不同</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是平和的，可以从对方的立场来看问题</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">试着了解或者理解</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:49:38<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嗯</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">攻击性这个</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">大概是语言风格或技巧问题吧</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我比较习惯这种方式</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">大概是因为朋友都是这样的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们很习惯这样</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而且能从中得到乐趣吧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
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米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:50:04<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">从反驳对方中得到快感。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:50:15<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以说你有激情</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:50:58<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">并不是不能理解对方的观点才要说自己的观点吧？完全可以是</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我理解你这样说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但我觉得&hellip;&hellip;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">这样呀</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:51:49<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">没有，你很少</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:51:51<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">好吧</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果这种方式让你感觉不快</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">那我道歉</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">其实完全没有恶意</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">只是习惯而已</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:52:04<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">没有不快</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:52:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">只是觉得你不知从什么时候开始变成这样</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:52:49<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">喜欢辩论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:53:09<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果你觉得这种&ldquo;辩论&rdquo;很没有意思</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">那就不&ldquo;辩论&rdquo;了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:53:14<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">可能是我变老了，你还年轻</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:53:25<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不累么？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:53:59<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嗯</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">大概从去北京之后</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我也不记得了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">反正挺长时间了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:54:06<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">辩论赢了怎样呢，你说地球是方的，就是方的啦吗？好怪的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:54:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你越来越有&ldquo;文人&rdquo;的感觉了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:55:03<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">应该找一件长衫</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:55:35<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">在戴个圆圆的黑框眼镜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:55:56<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我不累呀</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我已经说能从中得到乐趣了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我真的可以理解你说&ldquo;不累吗&rdquo;的心情</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">因为我也曾这样</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但我现在就是能从中得到乐趣（当然</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">遇到你这样觉得辩论无聊的人就没啥乐趣了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以就不辩论了吧）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:56:41<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果我说文人并不一定要是这种形象</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">或</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">喜欢辩论并不一定就是文人</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你会不会觉得</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我又是要跟你辩论呢？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 17:59:23<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是啊，就觉的是两种观点嘛，有什么可说的呢，接受就好了，或者不接受就好了，干嘛一直攻击别人的观点呢，即使你的辩论技术一流，另一个人哑口无言，又怎样呢，他不一定认同你的呀，只是他嘴上说不过你，或是心里说算了不说了，你爱咋样就咋样吧，反正不是自己的事情。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:00:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">是的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:02:07<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">呵呵</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你的观点就是&ldquo;如果别人的观念和自己不一样，要么接受，要么不接受，不要攻击别人的观点&rdquo;是吧？<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而我的观点是&ldquo;如果不一样</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就要说出来或者说就要攻击对方的观点&rdquo;<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你不接受我这种观点吧？你打算怎么表现对我这种观点的不接受呢？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:02:59<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不接受就不接受呗，人人都有权不接受或者接受。自己的选择不同而已呀。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:04:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你会说出来吗？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:05:26<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果关系好的话，就会说呀，但是不会很激烈，说出自己的观点而已，不会去反驳他的观点</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:07:10<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">有时，可以理解，但不接受，不冲突呀。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:08:38<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不会说，&ldquo;如果每个人都象你这样。。。。。。。。。&rdquo;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:09:08<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不会很义愤填膺</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:09:45<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你怎样说出你的观点又不反驳我的观点呢？</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">说&ldquo;我能理解你就要说出来或者说就要攻击对方的观点的看法</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但是我认为要么接受</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">要么不接受</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不要攻击别人的观点&rdquo;吗？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:13:04<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我没说&ldquo;如果每个人都象你这样。。。。。。。。。&rdquo;吧？而且我也没义愤填膺啊？<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我想最主要的问题应该是语气或者说文风问题吧？如果开始时我说&ldquo;我理解你只关心自己不关心民生，但我认为人不可能脱离社会而生存</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">关心民生就是关心自己</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">这是我的个人看法</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">完全没有想让你赞同的意思&rdquo;这样你还会觉得我是在攻击你</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">还会觉得我义愤填膺吗？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:14:22<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我不是指今天的对话</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:14:38<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我种感觉。。。。。。。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:15:01<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">不是某一件事情</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:15:03<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果只就今天的对话而言呢</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">如果我那样说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你会接受吗？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:15:43<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">今天还好吧</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:15:54<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但也很喜欢辩论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:16:24<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">你和辩论在热恋就对了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:16:38<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">谁也拆不散你们</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:18:54<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我觉得你太习惯别人附和你了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然这是我的个人观点</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">也许实际情况是我太喜欢辩论了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而你只是指出了这一点</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而我就攻击你说你那是习惯别人附和你</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但就我本意来说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我并不是想要攻击你</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">只是想说出我的看法</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">当然完全可能是错误的看法</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:19:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">打个比方</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:21:06<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我觉得我只是老百姓，闲聊而已，发泄下情绪而已，而你是知识分子，每次我和你闲聊时，就会被你上升到一定的高度，变成了我眼里的&ldquo;辩论&rdquo;。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:21:55<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我明白了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我太喜欢上纲上线</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">把什么都提到理论高度去聊了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:22:21<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我和同学有一阵子就这样</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:22:25<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以就把普通的聊天</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">变成了&ldquo;辩论&rdquo;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">因为一涉及到理论</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就会很像辩论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:22:26<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">结果他就疯了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:22:45<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">后来我也疯了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:22:48<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">明白了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">说到现在</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我终于明白问题所在了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:22:56<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">现在我开始理解他了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:24:13<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">她老说我&ldquo;你怎么了，别生气&rdquo;其实我没生气。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:24:50<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我应该跟喜欢聊&ldquo;理论&rdquo;的人聊&ldquo;理论&rdquo;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">而不是逮到谁都跟人聊理论</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">虽然我能从中得到乐趣</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">但别人会觉得这很无趣而且有攻击性</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">结果我也没从中得到乐趣</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">别人也没得到乐趣</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:25:10<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嗯嗯</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">谢谢你让我明白了这点</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:25:16<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">她还说&ldquo;娱乐一下呗，干嘛认真呢&rdquo;我当时就疯了。现在我理解他了。可能当时我就挺爱上纲上线了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span lang="EN-US">18:25:47<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以，我觉得你要来签名</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:27:06<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嗯嗯</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我以后不会跟你这样了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">放心吧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:27:54<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">现在我的朋友也超爱辩论</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">米奇和米妮</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 18:28:04<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我都要疯了</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><br />
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和那个经常请我看电影的妹聊天，被批评说爱辩论、有攻击性之类。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我反省了一下，在现实生活中还好，但如果是在网上用文字聊天，我就真的很爱辩论。我觉得辩论很有趣，这一点我接受并且不打算改正。有攻击性这点以后应该注意一下，语气、表达方式是否太具压迫性，让人觉得不舒服。最应该反省的是，聊天对象。我任性的用我习惯的思维方式考虑问题，用我习惯的交流方式与人交流，这当然会让我很舒服，但我却没想过对方是否也是习惯这种思维方式和表达方式的人，如果对方不是，我的交流方式是否让对方觉得舒服，还是会觉得是在被攻击？<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">纪德说&ldquo;有时，正是你的坦白让人无法坦白&rdquo;&hellip;&hellip;我是这样一个不懂得体贴的人，在确立自我的过程中，从没想过是否撞倒了别人&hellip;&hellip;我想我应该更加留意被撞了却没发出声音，只是默默站起来的人&hellip;&hellip;<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">小玉说过&ldquo;他们说那个事情就是那样的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我就连</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">P</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">都懒得放</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">爱砸匝地</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">各过个的日子</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">就我不是反驳派来说</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">其实也有点对人的冷淡在里面&rdquo;&hellip;&hellip;从这个角度看，难道我已经从淡漠的人变成了偏执的人？哎，中庸的境界很难修啊，我要继续修行，嗯嗯&hellip;&hellip;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>...
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念念手绘的烙画~放在店里两天，引起三个朋友的惊叹~<br />
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念念做的书签~亲，我朋友不相信你是文编~你快来贴文证明你是多么文武双全~<br />
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水送我的生日礼物（其实是我要的）~吉永史大人，让我给你削铅笔吧~<br />
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水千里迢迢寄来的易碎品~质感非常好~喜欢~<br />
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传说中的4月15飞雪~也不知道谁这么冤~（搞不好就是因为我弄断了牙）<br />
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睡到自然醒，看到阳光从窗户照进来~xx啊，多么美好~<br />
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昨晚儿随手拿饺子皮一捏&hellip;&hellip;就得到了我娘的表扬~活活~<br />
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我家小侄女在金石滩~<br />
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小侄女在我店里~<br />
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我家小外甥女在她家~<br />
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小外甥女在她家ps版~...
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        <description><![CDATA[<span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">基督教（包括天主教、东正教及新教各派）认为人生下来就有罪，包括婴儿在内没人是无辜的，此为&ldquo;原罪&rdquo;。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">原罪是各种可见的罪恶的根源。包括暴食、淫欲、骄傲、懒惰、贪婪</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">、</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">嫉妒、愤怒，也称&ldquo;七宗罪&rdquo;。<br />
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</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我想，既然原罪是每个人与生俱来的东西，那还原罪可以有一种说法&mdash;&mdash;<strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">人性</strong>。人性中除了慷慨、忠贞、节制、牺牲等崇高美好的一面，也有被称为&ldquo;罪&rdquo;的卑劣丑陋一面。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">跟朋友聊天，我曾说过我犯的七宗罪中最重的一项是&ldquo;懒惰&rdquo;。她说，我这几天认真想了一下，如果用七宗罪打比方的话，那我的是&ldquo;贪婪&rdquo;。<br />
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我想，人的价值观，与之相关的所有思考、判断、行动&hellip;&hellip;都源自人最本质的东西。古龙讲&ldquo;蒸笼和枷锁&rdquo;&mdash;&mdash;每个人都有一样真正能激励他和束缚他的东西，&ldquo;蒸笼和枷锁&rdquo;说的就是这东西。<br />
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</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以，我最想要的比较容易得到，是建立在适度（以精神、物质的平衡为标准）物质基础上的精神生活，接触到、学到、想通新的、好的东西（风土人情、观念、思想、学科等）感到的愉悦；而朋友要的是&ldquo;话语权&rdquo;，不光是写得好而且是被承认以及被崇拜说写得好（具体说来就是在</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">xx</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">圈坐到高位）。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以，只要不带来大麻烦，我尽量不和无趣的人来往（浪费时间精力），就是对喜欢的也不会多殷勤体贴（谢谢亲们纵容我，肯在</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">q</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">上主动跟我说话，</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">55</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">）；而朋友的每个同事都觉得自己跟她关系非常好（看你那么体贴照顾那个同事我在旁边都觉得有点寒，当然你这么体贴照顾我我非但不寒还觉得很暖和，这真逗，吭</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">~</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">），即使被她讨厌的人也以为自己的打扰很受她欢迎（能用上，起码别挡路）。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以，我越来越宅，稍微有点收入可以糊口就任性散漫不思进取；而朋友在不到两年的时间就在一家几百人的公司从普通编辑升到主编再到</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">xx</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">总监。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">所以，我经常在晚上握拳跺脚号称明天要努力工作啊，却在第二天继续上网看文一晃就混掉一天；而朋友偶尔会在半夜打电话来说好想死此刻觉得什么梦想啊朋友啊一切都是可以放弃的怎么办呀，然后在第二天继续抖擞精神乐观向上拼命努力&hellip;&hellip;<br />
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我刚听她说&ldquo;我想要的是坐到</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">xx</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">圈的高位&rdquo;时第一反应是&ldquo;好强&hellip;&hellip;与之相比我是不是太消极太不上进了，我的平静满足是不是因为无能而做的自我欺骗呢&rdquo;&hellip;&hellip;仔细想想应该不是（证据就是我不拧把，笑），因为终极指向其实是一样的，只是对我们来说通往终极目标的路径不同。她只能走她必须走的路，我也一样。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们有次讨论《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E8%B4%AB%E6%B0%91%E7%AA%9F%E7%9A%84%E7%99%BE%E4%B8%87%E5%AF%8C%E7%BF%81?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">贫民窟的百万富翁</a>》。朋友说她可以理解男主角的哥哥为何会在救女孩出来以后把弟弟赶走，把女孩推倒。因为一直以来都是哥哥在保护照顾弟弟，他希望自己是弟弟生命中最重要的人（我可以为你拼命，你也可以很弱没能力，但在你心里你得把我放在第一位），当他发现弟弟根本没把他做的一切放在心上，而是将一个什么也没为他做的女孩当作生命中最重要的人时，当然会很生气。我说这很像日本漫画的思维方式。但我觉得人应该做自己觉得应该做的事，而不是把自己该做什么的控制权交到别人手里（你爱我我就可以这样那样，你不爱我我就那样这样）。比如，如果哥哥不愿意以&ldquo;弄瞎亲弟弟的帮凶&rdquo;这一身份生存的话，他就应该选择拼命救弟弟，当然如果他觉得比起这个，自己的安全和前程更重要的话，他就别救。而之后他也可以选择不帮弟弟把弟弟心爱的女孩救出来，但既然他选择帮弟弟，就不应该在这之后要求什么报偿，并因为没有得到就去伤害弟弟和那女孩。就像有些人自以为对别人很好（也许在别人看来只是骚扰）就有权利对别人指手画脚，当别人不理他时他还觉得自己受到了很大的伤害。<br />
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我想了一下，我之所以抱这种按自己的原则做事，不因为细节和结果的不同而改变的观念，是因为&ldquo;坚持原则，以不变应万变&rdquo;是最省心的判断方式。如果每次都得根据推测的结果做决定，对我这种既没有前瞻力又极其懒惰的人来说实在太累了。而朋友不是一个&ldquo;惜力&rdquo;的人，她说，我已经做到这种程度了，而且我并不是没有能力，却没有回报，凭什么，所以我很生气&hellip;&hellip;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><br />
我曾看《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E7%99%BD%E8%89%B2%E5%B7%A8%E5%A1%94?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">白色巨塔</a>》看哭了，因为财前临死前说&ldquo;我不后悔，我只是遗憾&rdquo;。<br />
人只要知道自己要的是什么，然后努力去得到就很好。无论这东西是里见想要的&ldquo;做一个好医生&rdquo;，还是财前想要的&ldquo;当上院长&rdquo;。不光要付出努力，为得到这东西放弃的一切都是要得到这东西所需要付出的一部分。无论是里见放弃的金钱、地位、名望，还是财前放弃的亲情、爱情、尊严。<br />
套用吴思《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E6%BD%9C%E8%A7%84%E5%88%99?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">潜规则</a>》里的概念，讲&ldquo;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">官话&rdquo;的话，当然是亲情、爱情、尊严更有价值，但在&ldquo;潜规则&rdquo;里又是金钱、地位、名望更有价值。其实，到底什么有价值的判断只能由选择的人自己来做。此人之肉彼人之毒，每个人都是不一样的，却也一样得背负着自己的&ldquo;罪&rdquo;往前走，没人能逃掉，如史密斯所说&ldquo;因为人类这种可怜生物把生活定义为受苦受难&rdquo;。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">我们背负着不同的&ldquo;罪&rdquo;，但我想我们有一样，起码有一样相同的&ldquo;美德&rdquo;，我们都是，起码都希望是&ldquo;有趣的人&rdquo;&hellip;&hellip;那谁谁，虽然走在不同的道路上，也一起加油吧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">~<o:p></o:p></span></p>...
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">前两天在医院又想贾樟柯的那句老话，他说，我以前觉得我很强，我坚持了我的梦想并得到了它，但后来我发现每一个放弃的人都有他不得不放弃的理由。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">之前跟</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">boy</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">聊天，我说我认真想过，我可以接受选择带来的结果。其实，真辗转病榻的时候，未必不后悔。能一直任性是一种幸运，是因为没有发生不得不放弃任性的事，而能使人放弃任性的事随时都可能发生。但是，在还没发生之前且让我继续任性下去。也许将来真会后悔，但起码不要现在就后悔。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 15:59:33<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">恩，我也有想过，如果将来我们都很穷，生了大病，我想对方肯定没有钱来捐助。但是&hellip;&hellip;也没有所谓吧，这个都不是很重要。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 15:59:52<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">不会因为想到这样而觉得悲惨或可惜。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:00:07<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">也不会觉得人生做了错误的决定。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:00:45<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">对！</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:01:12<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">因为我们已经尽了努力来活过了。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:01:13<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">我认真想过这个问题</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">觉得我可以接受选择带来的结果</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:01:47<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">恩，我也可以。相比起来，延长</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">20</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">年的生命，并不太重要。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:02:13<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 11:03:14<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">反正人来到世界上时和离开时都会两手空空</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">对物质抓那么紧干吗呢</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">再说我本来对奢侈品就没兴趣</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">不需要靠这东西来证明自己</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">所以钱对我来说只是象征安全感</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">但我现在觉得自己靠双手也不至于饿死</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">所以稳定的工作什么的对我来说不怎么重要</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">悠游</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">falling 11:06:41<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">现在年轻你这么想，年纪大一些没有稍多的钱傍身，有个病啊灾的怎么办、</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 11:06:58<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">死呗</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">人还想长生不死啊</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">悠游</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">falling 11:07:32<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">有的病一时之间死不了呢</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 11:09:39<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">说真话</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">也许你不相信</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">但我真的这么认为</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">人</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">在再好的环境</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">再坏的环境都差不多</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">再好的环境也会有烦恼</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">再坏的也会有</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">关键是自己是怎么想的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">怎么看的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 11:10:11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">另外</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">我有买医疗险啊</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">社会统筹的和商业险都有买呀</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:02:45<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">恩，这点看来我们都有认真想过。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:03:32<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">恩，我过几年也会买的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:03:39<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">死呗，我就是这么想的，哈哈。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:04:02<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">而且</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">我总觉得我们不会很惨的</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">因为我们只是在追求值得追求的东西</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">只是把别的没那么重要的东西放在其次</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">而不是在自毁</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:04:15<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">恩不是在自毁，对的。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">溯夜</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:04:17<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">当然</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">我们也不会太有钱</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:04:28<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">恩，因为也不想要嘛。</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">三番</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 16:09:43<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">我不想为未知的恐惧，耗费生命，宁可将生命，耗费在未知的希望里。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <description><![CDATA[<font size="1">&hellip;&hellip;原本是影评来着&hellip;&hellip;后来就，跑偏了&hellip;&hellip;咳&hellip;&hellip;<br />
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E8%A1%8C%E5%8A%A8%E7%9B%AE%E6%A0%87%E5%B8%8C%E7%89%B9%E5%8B%92?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">行动目标希特勒</a>》<br />
</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">都是些做政治投机的家伙，没有一个人是真的抱有某种可以为之而死的信念。都是利欲熏心的赌徒、胆小鬼和骑墙派。男猪居然把炸药放在桌边就落荒而逃了，跑出来组织政变的过程中还一个劲儿打听自己老婆孩子。其他人也一样，又想在计划成功后分一杯羹又怕计划失败要承担责任。这堆货凑在一块搞暗杀，失败就对了。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E5%9C%B0%E7%90%83%E5%81%9C%E8%BD%AC%E4%B9%8B%E6%97%A5?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">地球停转之日</a>》<br />
</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">算是环保题材？下次大洪水降临的时候，诺亚方舟里可能没为自以为是地球主人的人类保留位置。基努里维斯见老了。我在想，如果里伯芬尼克斯不死的话，他会是怎样的？他们的感情会是怎样的？<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">《蝙蝠侠前传<span lang="EN-US">-</span>黑暗骑士》<br />
</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">是我看的第一部蝙蝠侠系列电影。还不错，挺变态的。我很喜欢小丑对不同的人用不同的说法说起自己伤疤的由来。不要追究真假，他只是要说，我有理由恨你，我不会留情。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E5%90%8C%E5%BF%97%E4%BA%A6%E5%87%A1%E4%BA%BA?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">同志亦凡人</a>》<br />
</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">美版、英版都看了。最大的区别是，英版的更接近生活，美版的更像偶像剧。<br />
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</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">以故事来说是英版比较好，很真实，而且每个人物都有成长。对于&ldquo;麦克&rdquo;（这里用美版的人名，英版记不住）来说，成长是主动放弃工作，跟&ldquo;布莱恩&rdquo;一起走；对&ldquo;布莱恩&rdquo;来说，成长是不玩了，收心跟&ldquo;麦克&rdquo;一起；对&ldquo;贾斯汀&rdquo;来说，成长是在跟&ldquo;布莱恩&rdquo;学怎么玩，成为&ldquo;巴比伦之王&rdquo;。但这些人我都不太喜欢。（同人女对<span lang="EN-US">gay</span>的感情就跟叶公对龙的差不多）不过&ldquo;布莱恩&rdquo;演得很到位，娘得恰到好处，那种魅惑的性感真的很<span lang="EN-US">gay</span>。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">美版其实只有前几集跟英版一样，后来就成了完全不同的故事。我想这主要是因为贾斯汀是贾斯汀，而不是英版那个小孩。贾斯汀不但聪明勇敢执着努力&hellip;&hellip;拥有一个偶像剧角色的全部优点，更重要的是他爱布莱恩。而英版那男孩对&ldquo;布莱恩&rdquo;只是迷恋，只是把他当偶像，只是因为他是&ldquo;最好的&rdquo;所以才要跟在他身边。当那男孩发现他&ldquo;有点老了&rdquo;，就立刻一脸得意的抛弃了他。而贾斯汀每次都在布莱恩陷入低谷、遇到麻烦的时候，默默给他提供帮助，即使那时他们已经分手了。在美版中，麦克跟布莱恩的关系更像是家人，是从小一起长大最靠得住的朋友，我觉得这种关系真挺好的，也许会比恋人更亲密更长久。我真喜欢贾斯汀。</font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">《<a href="http://fifid.com/search/%E4%B8%9C%E9%82%AA%E8%A5%BF%E6%AF%92%E7%BB%88%E6%9E%81%E7%89%88?src=yb_qsal&utm_source=yb_qsal&utm_medium=link&utm_content=rsspost" target="_blank">东邪西毒终极版</a>》<br />
</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">大概高中时看过，在我印象中是部好片儿，所以前两天在大银幕上映就去看了。<br />
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</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">发现我现在已经不觉得这是部好片儿了。我觉得王家卫确实是位有着很强个人风格的导演，但绝对算不上大师。他的电影真的就是拍给&ldquo;小资&rdquo;看的。就那么点感情上的破事儿给他们纠结的呀，除了张学友的角色，都是些矫情的自私鬼，没一个有担当的。什么怕被拒绝而先拒绝啦，什么越想忘记越无法忘记啦，都是在以爱的名义折磨自己和别人，都是闲大了。当然啦，能闲大也是好事，起码说明不用为吃饱穿暖等基本生活问题犯愁了。可是，不要误导观众，以为爱就是自虐虐人，就是得不到的东西最好，就是不去付出就不会受伤害，就是抱着一份念想含恨而死&hellip;&hellip;才不是，那些都不是爱，那些只是胆小鬼的<span lang="EN-US">yy</span>而已&hellip;&hellip;<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">爱是一份礼物，虽然这礼物的价值要由收礼物的人来评判。如果收的人觉得喜欢，这礼物就是蚌送来的大珍珠，如果收的人觉得讨厌，那就是鼬送来的死老鼠。所以，在送出礼物时不要过分高估这礼物的价值。同样，在收到不想要的礼物时，最好也别翻着白眼说真恶心。作为一个有理性又懂得共情的人。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">爱是一种选择，是出于自由意志的选择。并不是不得不爱，不是失去对方就活不下去，不是依赖和寄生，不是占有欲和执念&hellip;&hellip;而是自由选择。所以，去选择，也要去尊重对方的选择。作为一个健康、独立、有爱的意愿和能力的人。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">爱是一次成长，是放弃部分旧的自我，建立新的、更好自我。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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与之相关的。最近在理论上理解了人为什么要结婚。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">一直以来我都觉得很奇怪，结婚实在是件没有&ldquo;好处&rdquo;的事，为什么有那么多人结呢？我问过一些人，最常见的答案是老了病了有人给倒杯水，我说住养老院也有人给倒，而且有权利就有义务，也许是你给别人倒水呢。有人说是本能，我想结婚可不是本能，而是社会关系的建立。居然还有人说是为了房子，我无语，为了一半儿的产权？新婚姻法实行以后连一半儿都没有了，只为了能在某处房子里居住？&hellip;&hellip;就算说是为了爱也说服不了我，为何不一直把恋爱谈下去？不都号称婚姻是爱情的坟墓吗？<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">最近我忽然想通了。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><font size="1">首先，不要希望通过结婚得到什么现实的&ldquo;好处&rdquo;，如果只是为了找个人洗衣做饭照顾自己，请钟点工是个经济得多的选择；如果是为了车子房子票子，直接出去卖会又快又准省去很多麻烦。结婚从某种角度看是&ldquo;双输&rdquo;的，因为两个人共同创造出了一样叫做&ldquo;家庭&rdquo;的东西来，这东西需要两个人不断用时间、精力、心血、牺牲、忍耐、妥协&hellip;&hellip;来供养。因为，这些付出是给&ldquo;家庭&rdquo;这东西的而不是给对方本身的，对方并不能直接感受到，所以常常会有人抱怨对方不是恋爱时的那个人了，抱怨对方只得到没付出，抱怨这个那个&hellip;&hellip;尤其是对有孩子或家庭成员关系复杂的家庭来说。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p><font size="1"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">那为什么人还要结婚呢？当然，人除了索取的本能也有付出的本能，不过这还不足以解释婚姻为何能够长久维系。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">世间确实有不计回报的爱，但这种博大忘我的爱是失衡的，因此也必然是短暂的。说到底，婚姻能够长久维系，其实是因为人在为家庭付出的同时，也从家庭中得到了他所需要的。比如，精神上的支持，存在感、安定感、归属感&hellip;&hellip;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="1"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">就像宗教信仰，在一个没有宗教信仰的人看来，信神不会带来任何实际的好处，信众只是在浪费他们的时间金钱感情，只是在受欺骗。确实，在信众遭遇挫折陷入低谷时，神不会忽然现身显灵来替他解决问题，但虔诚的信众有更重要的东西&mdash;&mdash;信念。他相信神会眷顾他，他的内心不是空虚无望的，而是充满爱和力量的，他知道自己不是一个人，他的神和他在一起。因为有神的背负，他终究会走出困境，或者，因为这是神为其安排的命运，所以可以坦然接受。<br />
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有家庭牵绊的人也一样，他从背负的家庭责任中获得认可，相信自己是有价值的，从自己拥有的家庭身份中感到安心，相信自己是被支持的&hellip;&hellip;（也就是说重点不是病了有人给倒水，而是相信自己病了会有人给倒水，因而活得很踏实、安心。同样，也心甘情愿的准备为别人倒水，并因此给予自己较高的自我评价。）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="1"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">大概就是这样吧。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="1"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">有趣的是，我发现，对我来说所谓想通了不是发现新知，而是重新认识了最简单最朴素最基础的道理。落实到生活中也不过是遵循本性吃饭睡觉而已。不过，很开心。现在最大的希望是希望自己不要说起来头头是道，一遇到现实问题就原形毕露。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="1"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">加油</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><font face="Arial">~后知后觉到神奇的家伙~<o:p></o:p></font></span></font></p>...
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        <description><![CDATA[&nbsp;<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Boy</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">推荐阿基里斯与龟，去搜，搜到了阿基里斯永远追不上龟的悖论。我觉得这悖论很容易解释啊，主要看怎么理解&ldquo;永远&rdquo;。如果把一段时间进行无穷的分割，再把被无穷分割的这段时间称为永远（刹那即永恒），那确实追不上，而如果把被无穷分割的这段时间看成更大段时间的一部分，把更大段的时间称为永远，就能追上啊。当然啦，我没学过逻辑学，不知道从逻辑学上要怎么解释，也没学过数学（当然算数还是学过的），也不知道这悖论跟数学到底是啥关系，说不出个所以然来。哎，还是书读得太少，生有涯学无涯啊。还是说擅长的吧，说电影本身。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span>
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 22:14:06<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">看了阿基里斯与龟，对于我来说，结局太好了。会买套装，不是因为别的，只是因为这个故事，关于我自己。明天写影评。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:10:00<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">还是一如既往 典型的北野武风格 主题&nbsp; <span lang="EN-US"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">想起 菊次郎的夏天 坏孩子的天空 那年夏天宁静的海<br />
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 12:11:18<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我觉得乐观了点。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:12:06<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">不觉得呀 哪里乐观了？<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 12:13:10<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">特别喜欢卖罐子的结尾。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 12:14:38<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">虽然电影要说的是罐子就是真知寿所追赶的艺术。但我还是本能的觉得这个罐子就是他自己。这<span lang="EN-US">20</span>万的售价，究竟是罐子的价值，还是价格呢？没有天分的艺术家，想要卖出一只破罐子，觉得很厉害很厉害。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 12:27:48<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">期待有人将罐子带回家，每天擦拭，这便是，想要成为艺术家的人的愿望。罐子当然只是罐子，在理解与不被理解之间才有了不同，这个是艺术创作和爱的命运，就像双刀火鸡给史蒂芬周的叉烧饭。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:30:28<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我觉得艺术家的作品永远也只能是表现他自己<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>那个罐子可以象征他残破的人生<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>但我想 &ldquo;与众不同的东西&rdquo;真的那么重要吗？为此毁掉自己的人生也没关系吗？或者说，其实每个人都是与众不同的，只是看有没有人欣赏，就像片子开头时说的，一个艺术家需要一个能理解他的好顾客<span lang="EN-US">~&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:35:26<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">这部片子的温暖在于他其实有 理解他的好顾客不是那个画廊老板（虽然他的话都是正理）而是他老婆<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 12:36:20<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">嗯&hellip;&hellip;我觉得咱俩说的差不多是一个意思&hellip;&hellip;<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 13:43:37<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">买了碟了，好喜欢这个封面啊，说说说。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:43:50<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">说啥呀&nbsp;<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 13:44:02<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我来说，等我打字。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 13:45:00<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">与众不同的东西，我想因为是在表现自我，所以如果不与众不同的话，自我就是和不追求自我的人没有不同的话，就是一种毁灭性的打击。所以真知寿的一个艺术家朋友就跳天桥自杀了。但真知寿其实并没有一定要追求与众不同，至少不会为了不能与众不同而自杀，他最后自杀并不是因为不能表现出与众不同的自我。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 13:46:40<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我说乐观是因为电影中有了永恒的羁绊，幸子的永恒的理解，我觉得这个是非常乐观的。所以海报上写着，追逐梦想的夫妇的故事，而不是追逐梦想的真知寿的故事。海报中你看，幸子的手拉着真知寿的衣角，多么的动人啊！每次回放到最后幸子看着卖罐子的真知寿笑的时候，心里的潮涌都会非常强烈，也许是因为我对这一点很有共鸣的缘故。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:50:34<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">嗯嗯 我说没有更乐观是因为北野武的其他作品也有这样&ldquo;乐观&rdquo;的地方比如 那年夏天宁静的海<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 13:51:39<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">恩恩，那年夏天宁静的海，我没认真看的缘故吧，我印象深刻是花火，座头市，还有这个。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 13:51:59<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我想起一个电影 叫 金色池塘 还是什么<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>讲的是夫妻太相爱而忽略孩子 让孩子得不到其该得的爱的片子<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 13:54:06<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">北野武电影里那种&ldquo;没有条件反射&rdquo;的表演，真是很喜欢。其实虽然在追求艺术的道路上确有阿基里斯与龟的情况，但电影其实倒没有这么来表现，反而是像在表现龟与阿基里斯，因为真知寿是喜欢而画，而不是有野心而画，而且他也没有真的天赋。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:00:13<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我觉得这部片子里的孩子真可怜<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span></span>他们这么相爱 不需要别人的话 就别要孩子啊<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:00:35<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">是的，是的。但如果电影说他们没有孩子，应该就会因为理想化的处理，而欠缺真实的立体感。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:01:52<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">嗯 真实的有点残酷了<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:02:21<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">因为画家也好，电影人也好，工作狂也好，在追逐梦想的同时，都或多或少的伤害着身边的人，这是谁都不能美化的，我觉得北野武没有在这里美化，是对的。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:02:38<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">你说得对<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:03:16<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">如果他的父母没有死，她的母亲很穷，生病了，真知寿依然会选择伤害她。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:04:11<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">是的 有的选择是无法选择的选择<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:04:39<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">人的一意孤行，表现出诗意，当然也表现出残酷。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:05:06<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">他把绘画放在第一位 责任自然就得排在后面<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:05:38<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">就像如果为了身边的人，伤害自己的梦想，是不是同等的残酷呢？其实是的，但是通常会不去想，或弱化，做理想化的处理。也是在剥离生活得立体性。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:06:23<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">是的 就像之前说的 其实坚持不是最难的最难的是放弃 为了得到某些东西 而必须放弃的某些东西<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:07:58<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">恩，所以真知寿的处理是很客观的，理想化处理的是幸子，就像我会觉得，好像比起我做的事情来说，小黑做的事情，我会觉得不可思议，啊，怎么可以做到？因为我觉得我在这个过程中感受到的快乐要比她大。所以电影后半段，我主要在观察幸子的行为<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:08:32<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我觉得是一样的<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:09:07<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">男主角放在第一位的是绘画 女主角放在第一位的是男主角<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:09:13<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我想，幸子是同等程度的活在自己的世界里面吗？<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:09:20<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">恩，恩，这样真是幸福。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:09:45<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">因为如果一半活在自己世界，一半活在现实世界，就会很可怕。女儿死的时候幸子应该就体会到这种可怕了吧，不知道真知寿是怎么想的。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:10:51<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">并不是只有可见的东西是值得追求的梦想 爱自己爱的那个人也可以是最重要的梦想<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:11:16<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我觉得他俩一样不爱女儿<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:11:34<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">哇，说的好残酷，不过我想是的。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:12:07<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">&ldquo;爱自己爱的那个人也可以是最重要的梦想&rdquo;这个说的真好。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:12:33<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">花絮里有一段值得一说 就是说真知寿为什么没有天赋却执着画画。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:13:01<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">北野武的东西就是那种看起来好笑 其实很残酷的东西<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:13:16<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">对对，喜欢的就是这个。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:14:49<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">因为在他年幼时，有一段时期被人隔离，不被理解。而画是唯一他可以依靠的。他可以画她的母亲在身边。所以对他来说很特别，面包和毕加索一样重要。没有父母，亲戚，朋友的依靠，此刻是画在支撑他长大的。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:15:53<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">嗯 所以我刚才说有些时候并不是选择 而是不得不选择<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:16:06<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">这个与其他人吃饱穿暖，想要挥洒一下自己的感情是截然不能相提并论的。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:17:04<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">你只能是你 就算别人可以得到轻松的幸福但你只能得到你所需的幸福 你定义的幸福 因为别人定义的幸福带不来你所需的<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:54:39<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">玩偶基本上就是北野武不小心张艺谋了一下&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">很像啊，不是很像英雄吗？<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:55:59<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">但人家北野武很快转回来了 张就不然了<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:58:52<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">说明北野武比张艺谋更认真对待自己的身份和作品。当然选择不同而已。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 14:59:31<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">是的 北野武那就是尝试 但心态不是功利的<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 14:59:39<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我想北野武不会很热衷去做开幕式啊，印象刘三姐这类的东西。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:00:04<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">张那是穷孩子穷怕了 能赚到钱就什么都不要了<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:00:29<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">虽然是相声演员出身，但是对于电影还是比较专一。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">其实还是有人会喜欢张艺谋啦，比如组织啦，商人啦。但影迷肯定会越来越少。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:01:53<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">不是专一不专一的问题 而是对待电影的态度问题 是把其作为获得名利的工具 还是真的是在创造作品<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">未必 我觉得影迷未必会少 也许反而多&nbsp;<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:02:53<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">这个就要看怎么界定影迷的意义了。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">你喜欢游龙戏凤也能叫影迷，但是那个和关心戛纳的影迷，统称为影迷，还是挺怪异的。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:05:33<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">北野武是认为，用心画的画就是艺术。用心是艺术，我挺赞成的，磨一个零件也能是艺术。就是评论起来比较麻烦，用不用心只能自己知道。就是你较真去做一件没什么大不了的事的态度。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:07:47<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">我不觉得用心画就是艺术 当然不用心更不是艺术用心只是艺术的必要条件 而不是充分条件<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:08:43<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">你觉得艺术还需要什么呢？我们说比较朴实的，不说挂在廊里的那种。<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:12:10<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">恩，我也赞成你的观点。如果需要认可的话，确实用心是不够的。所以真知寿的画不是艺术。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:12:54<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">其实我也说不好需要什么<span lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">对 起码是一部分人的认可吧&nbsp;<br />
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:13:27<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">对的，我就是认同你这个认可。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">就像真知寿不是艺术，但是北野武说真知寿，就是艺术。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">因为在述说真知寿用心的事件背后，透露出了另一些错综的意义。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:14:30<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">对 他被北野武认可了<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:14:40<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">对对对对，这个就是了。还是说要高于事件本身。被北野武认同的真知寿也成了艺术，对的。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:16:34<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">其实就是真知寿是艺术啊 而不是他的画 北野武又没表示出认可他的画的意思<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:17:34<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">恩，是的。而且不是一直有人说北野武的画很烂吗？做出了正面的自嘲呢。而且又用电影对自己的行为做出了解释。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:18:08<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">哎 表现别人的人生作为一种艺术没问题 把自己的人生搞成了艺术就有点惨了&nbsp;<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">你这样一说 果然 作品还是在表现作者 电影作品也一样<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:19:48<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">关键是如果在表现作者，而且观众意识到在表现作者，那么作品的含义就很不一样了。<br />
</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">溯夜<span lang="EN-US"> 15:20:45<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">所以现在有一种文学批评的方式是在研究作者的呀<span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<br />
</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Mr.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">三番<span lang="EN-US"> 15:20:48<br />
</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">就是与作者的人生有联系的作品，视角更为宽广。不是在单在电影情节里面。<br />
<font face="Arial">Mr.三番 16:09:29<br />
电影最后，真知寿的红色贝雷帽不见了。<br />
溯夜 16:09:55<br />
啥象征意义？<br />
Mr.三番 16:10:52<br />
不知道。我始终不觉得真知寿在最后是放弃画画了。但有的影评是这样说，说扔掉的罐子，就是扔掉追赶的乌龟，但是我觉得他们应该还是回去画画了。所以想来问问你怎么觉得。<br />
溯夜 16:13:27<br />
哦哦 我觉得当然画呀 否则他们要怎么活下去<br />
溯夜 16:14:11<br />
要怎么面对害死女儿的曾经<br />
Mr.三番 16:14:16<br />
恩，卖烧烤啊，栀子花啊。<br />
溯夜 16:14:24<br />
这是条回不去的路<br />
Mr.三番 16:14:44<br />
那不知道能不能解释罐子的事儿。<br />
溯夜 16:14:45<br />
嗨 我不是那个意思 不是指以什么为生<br />
Mr.三番 16:14:58<br />
恩，恩，明白的，所以我觉得当然是画画了<br />
溯夜 16:17:21<br />
也许不需要解释罐子 也许人家本就没想着拿它象征什么 再说就算是有象征 完全可以理解丢掉痛苦的纠结 之类嘛 电影这种东西是有多义性的 只要主题抓住了 不一定每个细节都要理解到导演的本意的<br />
Mr.三番 16:20:49<br />
&nbsp;今天是好日子。<br />
溯夜 16:21:29<br />
呵呵 为啥？<br />
Mr.三番 16:22:33<br />
有天聊<br />
溯夜 16:22:51<br />
哈哈哈 结果就是没好好工作吧<br />
Mr.三番 16:23:11<br />
今天本来也就没打算工作。<br />
<font face="Arial">溯夜 16:23:33<br />
怎么？今天是休息日？<br />
Mr.三番 16:24:11<br />
恩，前段时候一直画，结束了，想休息一下。而且女儿也没自杀，已经很好了。<br />
Mr.三番 16:24:43<br />
看了这么喜欢的电影，不停下来回味一下，太对不起自己了。<br />
溯夜 16:24:47<br />
别生了 如果不能爱的话<br />
Mr.三番 16:25:10<br />
我是这么想的，以后还不知道。<br />
溯夜 16:25:24<br />
同意 休息是为了走更远的路 一直画一直画是会耗干的 还是得去生活<br />
溯夜 16:26:15<br />
有爱的能力和意愿再生<br />
Mr.三番 16:26:16<br />
不太会生活啊。<br />
溯夜 16:26:36<br />
汗 那你现在在干吗<br />
Mr.三番 16:26:55<br />
在&hellip;&hellip;写影评。<br />
溯夜 16:28:35<br />
写影评也是在总结生活啦 如果你没有和小黑的感情 你怎么能理解这部电影呢 你和小黑的恋爱就是生活<br />
Mr.三番 16:29:23<br />
总结电影。有机会想和你聊关于生活的这个话题。<br />
溯夜 16:30:08<br />
汗 生活这个话题会不会太大？另外 我是知心大姐吗？ <br />
Mr.三番 16:30:22<br />
下一次有空，好好聊这个话题，因为我时常觉得好像没什么生活，好像应该出门啊，体验这个那个啊。<br />
Mr.三番 16:30:42<br />
哦不是生活琐事，是指怎么才是&ldquo;生活&rdquo;<br />
就是正确体验世界是一个怎么样的态度。这个下次聊。<br />
溯夜 16:31:33<br />
汗死 我怎么知道什么才是生活啊 反正你就按你想活的活法活呗&nbsp; 而且哪有什么&ldquo;正确体验世界&rdquo;这种东西啊<br />
溯夜 16:32:00<br />
嗯 下次聊<br />
Mr.三番 16:32:21<br />
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